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Post by ECFHL Commissioner on Dec 2, 2011 17:14:18 GMT -5
I've gotten a few complaints the last few days about the ratings of the recently rated prospects. PJ and I were discussing this last night and wanted to bring this up for debate before it gets too late. I personally think that we need to discuss whether or not NHL stats should have a basis in prospect activations. When Tom had originally brought NHL consideration up to me, I said I didn't mind as long as the OVs stayed the same as the chart. Upon reviewing the recent prospect activations, my opinion on this has changed a bit.
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Post by LosAngelesGM on Dec 2, 2011 17:24:19 GMT -5
Tom, I have no issues with you personally. And I appreciate you doing prospects. I was on the end of this debate once lol, and I dont think there is any way to please any person.
Here are my thoughts and I mean no disrespect...
Looking at a few players (Nugent-Hopkins, Couturier, Grimaldi, Hamilton, Siemens), some were 8.5 Ratings, Some 8 Ratings, yet somehow, some of the 8's were valued better than some of the 8.5's, and its off.
Previously, I was alright with using NHL Stats to help with creations, but if RNH is a 8.5, and D Hamilton is a 8.5, they should be rated within the same ranges I believe. RNH is doing well in 20 games for Edm, and looks to be a stud, but how does he get better ratings than a guy like Hamilton? Im not saying they should both be 68-72 ratings across the board and thats that, but you are placing too much value on one guy, and not enough on another. And I feel Hamilton has extremely low DF somehow when hes projected to be a top pairing all around defensemen.
I personally feel we shouldnt use NHL stats at all to create prospects. We dont do NHL Rerates because we dont want ratings getting out of hand. I think if we use Prospects with NHL stats, we are merely creating the same problem in a different fashion. We have ratings, you can access tons of info on players on multiple sites, so lets rate guys according to their skill sets and around their HF Rating, and thats that. Sim Progression or Regression will take it from there.
Thats my two cents.
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Post by bluejacketsgm on Dec 2, 2011 17:26:00 GMT -5
i propose casual fridays
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Post by Avs on Dec 2, 2011 18:54:13 GMT -5
I think it should have been rather obvious to not have Tom create his own prospects. Its impossible to be objective when dealing with your own team. I was a little suspicious when I saw he was taking over with how many picks he had. I'm not calling shenanigans or anything, but this should have been overseen differently from the beginning.
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Post by ECFHL Commissioner on Dec 2, 2011 19:07:53 GMT -5
Well, when we first had the debate on how prospects should be done, Tom volunteered and everyone else sat with their thumbs up their ass and didn't say a word.
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Post by leafs on Dec 2, 2011 19:11:04 GMT -5
Ya I agree with Jax, I don't think the scale for the prospects is that bad (maybe could be downgraded a bit) but just to be objective there really should be someone else creating Tom's prospects.
I'm not attacking you Tom but honestly anyone in your position would be more likely to give their prospects higher ratings in the ones that matter most
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Post by LosAngelesGM on Dec 2, 2011 19:16:59 GMT -5
Guys,
The point of the thread isnt to question if Tom is favoring his prospects over everyone else. There is an issue, but its towards all prospects. I have an issue w/ Adam Larson who has little NHL experience, same as RNH, and Larson isnt on Ottawa.
The issue is, do we use NHL stats as a way to create prospects? My vote is no. I gave my reasoning above. I have no issue w/ Tom making his own prospects. I just think all prospects need to be made the same. At this point, I dont think all are. I think active players in the NHL like RNH, Larson are getting favor over guys not in the NHL, like Huberdeau and Hamlton. Yet all possess nearly the same talent/skill and will wind up franchise type players.
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Post by Avs on Dec 2, 2011 19:48:58 GMT -5
Dealing strictly with the point PJ is making, I agree. NHL stats shouldn't be used.
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Post by bluejacketsgm on Dec 2, 2011 20:01:00 GMT -5
to those who think our favorite Frenchman Tom, is cheating in some way with the creation of his own players I don't see anything inappropriate happening. If he created someone with crazy skills, Nick wouldn't allow it...simple as that.
To Sir Nicholas, I know you're still agitated from some of (ok, all of) the bitching and moaning that goes on but relax brother! if gms are that angry about a ruling or something of the sort then they can bolt and go take part in one of a zillion other leagues.
as for the issue at hand, i'd prefer that NHL stats aren't taken into account when creating players but i really couldn't care less in the end and am good with whatever route the league goes. I'm much more about replacing the GM's of certain teams who still don't respond to mails =)
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Post by sensgm on Dec 2, 2011 20:08:34 GMT -5
Just got back from watching Kassbian so drunk, tired and smelling a little of piss! therefore I shall reply tomo!
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