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Post by blackhawks on Jul 13, 2011 9:54:00 GMT -5
We need to stay away from rerates.
If we have rerates making a player better, then its only fair to downgrade a player who is rated too high.
There have been a lot of players traded that would be due a significant NHL re-rate. That isnt fair to the teams who originally had the players.
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Post by sensgm on Jul 13, 2011 10:03:06 GMT -5
the commish did state he was leaning towards allowing one rerate season before this season had started! I am presuming that is why this thread was started so everyone would know the situation!
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Post by blackhawks on Jul 13, 2011 10:08:25 GMT -5
In my post, I didnt refer to a specific player, but the one that comes to mind is Erik Karlsson.
He just had 32 assists in 75 games last year, on the NHLs second lowest scoring team. 71pa, 65pc is significantly lower than where he should be.
If he was where he should be, your asking price would have been significantly higher.
That is how rerates would mess things up
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Post by sensgm on Jul 13, 2011 10:23:11 GMT -5
I'm not saying I agree or disagree! I'm just saying that it was talked about before the season started, and to be honest should have been settled there and then in my opinion.
In regards to karlsson I think I should of asked for more NHL rerates or not, as he is under 21 and so could still be rerated as a prospect! either way I will have lost out! I guess that's just my bad judgment, although at the time nothing was talked about potentially rerating already created prospects under 21!
I don't really mind what desesion is made, but what I do think is gm's should be told ASAP so people don't get pissed off!
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Post by ECFHL Commissioner on Jul 13, 2011 11:42:22 GMT -5
My honest opinion? I'm 100% against NHL rerates. They inflate the ratings and by season 5 or 6 you have 4th liners with 76-77 overalls and such. I've run FHL leagues for over 10 years now. My one league, the WHL, became defunct after 11 seasons because ratings were so high and disproportioned that we could even fill 1/2 the league anymore.
I think on it's own, the sim does a pretty good job of re-rating it's own players at the end of the season. Players in this sim, should have to perform in the sim in order to be rerated.
I'm with Chicago on this one, if we really want to discuss NHL rerates, then players also have to be eligible to be downgraded as well.
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Post by LosAngelesGM on Jul 13, 2011 12:43:26 GMT -5
I was for rerates in WHL, but I think this needed to be established before the season and before trades occured. At this point, Im against rerates. I may change my mind based on compromising and saying if we rerate to UP players, we have to rerate to down players as well. Same as Chi/Phi just said.
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Post by bluejacketsgm on Jul 13, 2011 12:50:10 GMT -5
my biggest bone to pick with the simulator is that people auto decline when they move from 29 to 30 and every year following. In some cases this is accurate but take a look at the Sedins for instance...they really aren't showing much sign of wearing down in the NHL but both of them are going to start dropping like stones in the simulator which is why I had to trade them unfortunately. Personally I think there should be some rerate exceptions for vets that are still performing at very high levels simply because it makes the game a little more realistic and not to mention fun because currently so many of us are just trying like hell to get our stars to be 27 or younger at the oldest. Clearly in the NHL there are some very high performing vets who are not declining across the board like the simulator seems to believe. This would open up trades a bit more and get folks to be willing to take on some of the bigger contracts out there as well.
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Post by sensgm on Jul 13, 2011 12:58:36 GMT -5
I am totally against the idea of rerating both up and down, would rather have no NHL rerates at all! Leaves the door open for far to many complaints etc... I also tend to agree with the commish's points, especially the point about how NHL rerates can saturate a league!
If you ask me, I think the idea I suggested to the Commish some time ago would be the best one, that was:-
To not have any Re-rates at all, but instead allow GM's to use your their prospect creations to "re-make" those players who could still be classed as prospects (or players under 23) but were already made before the league started.
An example would be Oliver Ekman-Larsson who HF still rates as a prospect... but he was already included within the files! So if Phoenix didn't agree with his rating he would be able to use a prospect creation to get him re-made (and therefore being more in sink with the other created prospects in the league).
Anyway that was just my idea!
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Post by sensgm on Jul 13, 2011 13:05:50 GMT -5
Also to carry on from CBJ point, you could allow teams to submit one player who has performed well in the sim... to have his individual stats frozen for next season. That player would therefore not go up or down for the next season.
But then if the same player didn't perform the following season the GM would not select to "freeze" his rates and would therefore drop!
So in essence each team can protect one well performing player from dropping, but that same player will never get any better!
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Post by blackhawks on Jul 13, 2011 13:30:33 GMT -5
Allowing each team to freeze a players ratings after each year is an interesting idea. But if you give each team 1 "freeze" and they have other older players.... a team without a candidate to freeze could get a player for less than market value... then freeze their ratings....
There are a lot of 30+ players who still perform at a high level, and you could argue they shouldnt be declining. Look at Lidstrom, Selanne.... A player like Pronger isnt declining, but his durability is going down... maybe in a case like that, older players have some ratings go down (durability, speed), but freeze the offensive stats. This could get really complex though and it might be better to just let the sim do whatever it wants.
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