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Post by bluejacketsgm on Dec 9, 2011 17:36:03 GMT -5
I'm going to lodge a complaint on here instead of the actual trade board regarding the super-awesome package of shit that Boston traded Kaberle away for. Considering there are no manual rerates in this league the argument that he wanted youth doesn't hold in this case because the players he got back are craptastic. I also find it very strange that less than a week after telling me that he didn't appreciate "dishonest" gms like the Jets gm for trying to hose him in the Chara deal (to the point where he would strongly consider never trading with them ever) he goes and makes ANOTHER terrible deal with the same GM.
If he decides to show up and respond to this post, I'm sure he'll inform each and every one of you that I had asked about Kaberle several times. The first time I was told I had to wait until the Chara deal was done. Once that was over I made an initial offer of Smaby + Clitsome + OTT 2nd year 3 + CLB 3rd year 3 for Kaberle. He replied that he didn't want smaby so in turn I offered Methot plus he could ask for any prospects.
No reply....no reply....no reply....no reply.... then this stinker of a trade goes through. Sour grapes? You betcha! However I am also still standing pat that this is an AWFUL trade if it's allowed to pass.
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Post by BluesGM on Dec 9, 2011 17:55:23 GMT -5
I asked about Kaberle via e-mail and got no response, either. I've actually asked about Kaberle and others via e-mail several times and have never gotten one response back.
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Post by oilersgm on Dec 9, 2011 20:12:55 GMT -5
Maybe he doesn't want to trade with you lol
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Post by Avs on Dec 10, 2011 1:48:20 GMT -5
I'm more offended by the Perron trade. At least Kaberle is a dinosaur by FHL standards at 33. Perron is a 23 yr old stud that makes peanuts and in return he got a worse player in Lupul who makes $4+ mil and 3 basically useless players. Not to mention Warsofsky (who?) makes $2 mil alone!
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Post by sensgm on Dec 10, 2011 8:55:52 GMT -5
I have two concerns over this trade, which are:
1. This deal is almost excalty identical to the Chara trade apart from the picks and Samsonov! Know I understand Kaberle carries less value than Chara but honestly the return is still awful! There is almost nothing of value coming back to Boston. It's also pretty clear that other GM's would of offered a lot more.
2. Winnipeg and Boston are friends, and it just doesn't seem right that another awful trade has been produced. I'm not saying anything like cheating is occurring but honestly when guys know each other outside of FHL I think trades should be monitored a bit more closely.
Thats all I really want to say on the matter and hopefully this wont turn into a bashing war!
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Post by LosAngelesGM on Dec 10, 2011 9:04:39 GMT -5
Nick is fair and monitors ALL trades, regardless of who is trading. Nick and I are pretty good friends, and if I traded with him, and took Marleau for Matt Read or something, he would know its not fair and not going to pass. Nick will raise issues if need be on trades. Thats that. I'm not going to listen to "friends trading need to have their trades monitored more closely". I dont think it matters if I trade with Friend A, or if I trade with someone I dont know like NYI. Nick will watch all trades and be fair.
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Post by sensgm on Dec 10, 2011 9:15:04 GMT -5
PJ the point I'm trying to make it is... That I know I could get a lot my friends involved and I know I would be able to convince them to trade me the players I wanted off their team, and even if other GM's said it was an awful deal... they would still still listen to me first because I am their mate!
I agree with you... it shouldn't make any difference, and yes I know Nick looks at all trades fairly. But why has such a bad deal been done twice? especially when Boston made it pretty clear he was pissed at Winnipeg trying to rip him off!
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Post by ECFHL Commissioner on Dec 10, 2011 10:38:30 GMT -5
2. Winnipeg and Boston are friends, and it just doesn't seem right that another awful trade has been produced. I'm not saying anything like cheating is occurring but honestly when guys know each other outside of FHL I think trades should be monitored a bit more closely. I'm not picking on you, but I am going to quote this to make my point. In season one, when we had a few different trades come under question, a few GMs brought this 'friend' point up and they were RIPPED by the GMs in question. We were told that the reason so many trades are made amongst these friends were because it's much easier to communicate with them since they are in fact friends. What's the difference? The other thing I don't like is the sour grapes and whining that so and so would've made a better offer. So what? As long as I deem trades are made under fair circumstances, it doesn't matter what anybody else would've or could've offered. And finally, I find it extremely hypocritical that certain GMs straight rip the players involved in the deal when just a few short months ago, some of those same GMs were saying how unfair it is to rip players involved in another trade because it now deeply affects the GMs ability to move those players.
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Post by winnipeggm on Dec 10, 2011 11:14:43 GMT -5
that whole friend thing is all well and good, but if we're such good friends outside the sim how come Chara isn't on my team. I didn't win him cause we're friends so that just shoots your logic down.
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Post by goldjackets on Dec 11, 2011 21:47:20 GMT -5
I don't want to trade with Columbus. I tell him I don't want the players he offers. He gets bitter. Offers me more players. Than gets salty when I don't return his messages because quite frankly, I have no more intention doing business with him. THAN to top it off, he proceeds to berate me on the message board. I think that's messed up.
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