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Post by ECFHL Commissioner on Feb 14, 2012 15:55:24 GMT -5
I do enjoy the league actually. I just think you're a little high strung and overly sensitive to criticism to be running one sometimes. I Have no problem with criticism. I do, however, have a problem with constant fighting, bitching and sarcastic remarks. There's a huge difference between criticism and acting like a child. If your idea of criticism is the sarcastic responses and mocking that went on during the re-rate thread then no, I am not going to put up with it. I run these leagues for fun and for free. Some people forget that sometimes.
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Post by bluejacketsgm on Feb 14, 2012 16:00:25 GMT -5
I did enjoy seeing you threaten to close down the forums because people were too "out of control" in the thread only to complain about the activity level on the boards a month or so later because folks by and large quit talking on the forum after your threats, at least at the levels prior to your threat of shutting down the boards.
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Post by NJDevils on Feb 14, 2012 16:03:40 GMT -5
don't really give a flying fuck if you know him for years or not. he's an asshole who appears to have joined the league and tried to trade his best guys over to his friend when he first started and outright ignores other people who apparently never even had a rift with him. Dude really? whatever. Some, not all, but some of our GMs need to look in the mirror on how they have conducted themselves and wonder why certain GMs don't respond. Let's not forget why this thread exists, because GMs couldn't keep from ripping each other's trades and fighting each and every time there was a trade made they didn't like. I've run leagues for over 10 years, I've never dealt with the amount of crying and bitching as I have here. Enjoy the league or get the fuck out. The atmosphere around here sucks sometimes and it's very easy to understand why teams have a hardtime keeping GMs. Lastly, all GMs should respond to emails, but sometimes they don't. Such is life. It's in our rules and should be enforced, but I'm pretty sure that some of us haven't replied at some point or another. I for one have stated on numerous occasions that Claude Giroux is not available. Yet, every week 1-2 teams PM, IM or email me asking for him. I don't respond. If you're going to just blindly bug me about a player who I've made very clear isn't available, I'm not going to waste my time responding. This made my day.
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Post by ECFHL Commissioner on Feb 14, 2012 16:07:27 GMT -5
I did enjoy seeing you threaten to close down the forums because people were too "out of control" in the thread only to complain about the activity level on the boards a month or so later because folks by and large quit talking on the forum after your threats, at least at the levels prior to your threat of shutting down the boards. What's the point of this back and forth? I threatened to shut down the forums because people were fighting non-stop. It was bitch, bitch, bitch. God forbid I actually want people to be civil and talk about actual league matters. But no, you're right, we should just have every thread filled with sarcasm and arguing.
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Post by bluejacketsgm on Feb 14, 2012 16:13:57 GMT -5
hmmmm
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Post by bluejacketsgm on Feb 14, 2012 16:23:44 GMT -5
fyi if you don't want people to voice their opinions then have an email style vote. otherwise people are going to give their opinions and yes, people are going to disagree and because this is the intArWebz when people disagree they are typically going to be snide, crude, brash, and above all, sarcastic. We're a bunch of young to middle-aged men who haggle over ratings in a simulated league for christ-sakes and to compound things it's online which equates to the amount of civility you'd find if a town hall was doubly booked by a Klan rally and an NAACP chapter meeting. Maybe you recruited folks from some Oprah forum before when you speak of online leagues that apparently conducted themselves with nothing but class save for the occasional 3rd grade playground homo-slur that elicits a few giggles from the peanut gallery. If anything, the sniping and snide remarks typically increase flow to the site and forums because like a good cliff-hanger, you want to see what happens next.
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Post by ECFHL Commissioner on Feb 14, 2012 16:39:59 GMT -5
fyi if you don't want people to voice their opinions then have an email style vote. otherwise people are going to give their opinions and yes, people are going to disagree and because this is the intArWebz when people disagree they are typically going to be snide, crude, brash, and above all, sarcastic. We're a bunch of young to middle-aged men who haggle over ratings in a simulated league for christ-sakes and to compound things it's online which equates to the amount of civility you'd find if a town hall was doubly booked by a Klan rally and an NAACP chapter meeting. Maybe you recruited folks from some Oprah forum before when you speak of online leagues that apparently conducted themselves with nothing but class save for the occasional 3rd grade playground homo-slur that elicits a few giggles from the peanut gallery. If anything, the sniping and snide remarks typically increase flow to the site and forums because like a good cliff-hanger, you want to see what happens next. I never, not once, said I didn't want people to voice their opinions. Go to and sign up for any message forum and there are rules to govern "trolling" and "flaming". A board I frequent, hfboardfs has this to say about Flaming in their rules: This exact situation happened ALL them time. If you don't know the difference or have never been part of a message forum community before, then that's on you. There's a reason why all forums have moderators. I'm not going to continue to argue back and forth. I'm fully aware of internet 'balls' and how they work. It comes down to a simple argument, it's my league, my forum and if you don't like how things are or how I want things then leave. It's that simple. Call me over-sensitive, an ass, it doesn't matter. This is how I want things and that's how it will be.
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Post by BluesGM on Feb 14, 2012 17:13:45 GMT -5
i dont have a problem with the way nick runs the league, or forums. i've run leagues before and listening to people bitch gets annoying as fuck. i do however, have a problem with this bruins GM who apparently is more sensitive than a pregnants womans nipples. get a pair, or go volunteer your time with the girl scouts.
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Post by leafs on Feb 14, 2012 17:33:20 GMT -5
People really need to cut Nick some slack.....running a league is fucking hard work....I know first hand.
I tried running a league a few years ago and filled it all with great GMs i knew from other sim leagues I had been in.......there was hardly any bitching and I had about 20 really solid GMs but still the workload was too crazy that I only lasted one season
Nick has made it clear several times that he welcomes criticism but it must be CONSTRUCTIVE. If you don't know what constructive criticism is then perhaps you should consult a dictionary or even go back to school because I get the feeling that if you keep pushing Nick's buttons hes eventually going to say fuck this its not worth it and shut down the league
I'm sure none of us want that to happen so why don't we all take a step back.....realize that this is supposed to be FUN not the NHL....and just all take a chill pill and stop with the attacks and use more CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM
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Post by sensgm on Feb 15, 2012 14:08:01 GMT -5
I'm not getting involved!
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