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Post by penguins on May 17, 2012 21:58:13 GMT -5
I vote for 1 guaranteed UFA resign. Similar to the RFA process of getting a few stabs at signing the guy. We all knew for over a season that we only got 1 UFA Resign. Keep that as is. Just let us get our 1 UFA resigned. Thats fair I think. I'm in favour of this ideal. My Pens have no UFA this season but this gives me the option to trade for one who is on their last year of your contract These 1 guaranteed UFA re-sign tags shouldn't be an option for trade.
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Post by NJDevils on May 18, 2012 9:12:57 GMT -5
The franchise tag basically is a guaranteed resign, just more difficult and has to be used strategically.
After that, you still have to negotiate with a UFA who you may still lose. I'm really not seeing where this causes a shrink in the talent pool or makes a huge tweek to free agency as some people are making it out to be. Maybe I'm just not explaining it all correctly? I feel like a bunch of us who appear on different sides are saying, essentially, the same thing.
Though I do have a question for Nick regarding UFAs - if I make an offer to one UFA and he rejects it, am I allowed to make an offer to another? That's the way I interpreted it - that you can offer to UFAs so long as you don't keep more then one.
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Post by BluesGM on May 20, 2012 4:06:13 GMT -5
was there ever an official resolution to this? can we upgrade our one UFA offer to a guaranteed resign and call it a franchise tag? this way... you still have to negotiate a fair deal or the player can hold out like an RFA would.... But you dont lose his rights because of the franchise tag.
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Post by Avs on May 20, 2012 11:35:10 GMT -5
Agree with Alex, I still don't like the idea of having my guaranteed UFA being automatically overpaid.
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Post by leafs on May 20, 2012 13:04:49 GMT -5
still think teams should at least have the opportunity (key word opportunity) to sign more than at least one guy
Whether thats by using a tag system that teams only get every few years or an extra re-sign is given to the final four playoff teams or something whatever it is I believe one re-sign, automatic or not is honestly really nothing
I understand wanting to make FA exciting and interesting but I think we are going a little overboard here.....I'm not complaining about the rule because I've been here a long time so I knew it was coming, all I'm saying is jumping from potentially being able to sign all your UFAs to only being able to resign one is a little drastic if you ask me.
Compounding to this problem is that the max term someone can sign a deal for is 4 years.....so basically under the current system that means that unless your team is really young, you are going to HAVE to rebuild pretty much every 4 years if you hope to continue to stay competitive in the long term
I get we want to make FA have better players but look at even the NHL, do you recall there ever being more than 2-3 top guys on the UFA market? I can't, at least there hasn't been for a long time so with that in mind I don't see why our UFA class needs to be so much better
1 UFA re-sign automatic or not is really nothing......you need to give GMs more control over their team or honestly what's the point at least that's my opinion.
Judging my everyones comments I think the fairest way would be this: 1 Automatic UFA Re-sign (will take some negotiating but as long as you are in the ball park the player should sign)
1 UFA Tag every 2-3 seasons (this tag will allow you to sign 1 of your additional UFAs once every 2-3 seasons, it won't be guaranteed though so if you send an offer to a player and also state that this is your UFA tag and the player rejects the offer then you lose the tag, we could make it so if a player rejects the offer the team loses the tag until the following resign period whereas if a GM were to actually use their tag on a player they would not get to use another one for the allotted 2-3 seasons
This is all just said and done from the top of my head so its really rough and could also be somewhat confusing......I'd obviously be open to discussing or modifying anything that I mentioned that isn't clear or worthwhile
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Post by leafs on May 23, 2012 1:49:06 GMT -5
i agree with everything that was said in the post previous to this one
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Post by BluesGM on May 23, 2012 2:09:49 GMT -5
i agree with everything that was said in the post previous to this one so....you agree with yourself? lol
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Post by Avs on May 23, 2012 12:06:17 GMT -5
One guaranteed UFA resign.
One negotiable UFA resign.
No franchise tag.
Everyone gets a chance to keep two UFA's.
Done.
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Post by leafs on May 23, 2012 12:20:52 GMT -5
i agree with everything that was said in the post previous to this one so....you agree with yourself? lol someone had too
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Post by NJDevils on May 23, 2012 12:36:33 GMT -5
One guaranteed UFA resign. One negotiable UFA resign. No franchise tag. Everyone gets a chance to keep two UFA's. Done. I think if we're going to deviate from the one UFA and have a guarantee it should come at a strategic price, such as the tag. Make it a NTC, make it so that it needs to expire before it can be used again. Add a degree of difficulty. I'm not going to say that it has to be an average of the top 5 players at the position, but maybe a guaranteed 10% raise or something like that? If we're going to change from what we are planning on doing, then make it interesting, not simple.
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